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Canggih mana Sukhoi SU-30 Indonesia dan Malaysia

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Karena MKM merupakan turunan dari MKI / Irkut
Dan MK2 merupakan versi pengembangan MKK /KNAAPO
Diklaim Sukhoi MKK/MK2 hardwarenya sama dengan Su-35 tetapi beda software di Su-35




Dari Irkut sendiri klaim MKI paling canggih
KNAAPO mengklaim MKK versi tercanggih Su-30

MKM lebih spesialisasi serangan udara
Dibantu TVC dan Canard bisa dibilang sekelas F-15C

MK2 lebih ke ground mission atau attacking mission atau SEAD atau air support. Atau kalau pesawat AS setara F-15E.
MK2 lebih banyak variasi senjata darat ketimbang MKM

jadi MKM dan MK2 mempunyai kelebihan masing2

Ni tentang MKK/MK2, ada kelebihannya
Su-30MKK shares compatibility with Su-35 in terms of hardware, but in terms of software, Su-30MKK differs from Su-35 (Flanker-E) on a much greater scale in comparison to Indian Su-30MKI because of different mission requirements by China. The Flanker family aircraft has the problem of the reduction of maximum g-force level being decreased to 7g from the 9g at speed between Mach 0.7 to Mach 0.9, and this problem was completely solved on Su-30MKK by adopting new measures.

HMS (Helmet Mounted Sight) di MKK/MK2
The original ASP-PVD-21 series helmet mounted sight (HMS) with only limited field of view (FoV) was replaced by more advanced Sura-K HMS system.

MK2 punya C4ISTAR (command, control, communications, computers, intelligence, surveillance, target acquisition and reconnaissance) mirip mini AWACS

Ini spesifikasi MKM:
General characteristics

Crew: 2
Length: 21.935 m (72.97 ft)
Wingspan: 14.7 m (48.2 ft)
Height: 6.36 m (20.85 ft)
Wing area: 62.0 m² (667 ft²)
Empty weight: 18,400 kg[16] (40,565 lb)
Loaded weight: 26,090 kg (57,520 lb) typical mission weight[14] ()
Max. takeoff weight: 38,800 kg (85,600 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Lyulka AL-31FP thrust vectoring turbofans, 123 kN with afterburner (27,560 lbf) each

Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 2.0[14] (2,100 km/h or 1,300 mph) at altitude; 1,350 km/h, 839 mph near ground level[15]
Range: 3,000 km (1,620 nmi) at altitude; (1,270 km, 690 nmi near ground level; with no external fuel tanks)
Ferry range: 8,000 km (4,320 nmi) with two in-flight refuellings[15]
Endurance: 3.75 hrs (up to 10 hrs with in-flight refuelling)
Service ceiling: 17,300 m (56,800 ft)
Rate of climb: >300 m/s (>45,275 ft/min)
Wing loading: 401 kg/m² (82.3 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 0.96
Maximum g-load: +9 g

Armament

Guns: 1 × 30 mm GSh-30-1 gun (150 rounds)
Hardpoints: 12 (2 × wing-tip AAM launch rails, 6 × pylons under-wing, 2 × pylon under-engine nacelle, and 2 × pylons in tandem in the "arch" between the engines. It can be increased to 14 using multiple ejector racks. with a capacity of 8 tonnes of external stores.
Missiles:
Air-to-air missiles:
10 × R-77 (AA-12) active radar homing medium range AAM
6 × R-27ER (AA-10C) semi-active radar guided, long range AAM
6 × R-27ET (AA-10D) Infrared homing extended range version, long range AAM
2 × R-27R (AA-10A) semi-active radar guided, medium range AAM
2 × R-27T (AA-10B) infrared homing seeker, medium range AAM
6 × R-73 (AA-11) short range AAM
3 × Novator KS-172 AAM-L
4 × MBDA MICA (unknown variant) short to medium range AAM [17]
Air-to-ground missiles:
3 × Kh-59ME TV guided standoff Missile
3 × Kh-59MK active radar homing anti-ship missile
4 × Kh-35 anti-ship missile
6 × Kh-31P/A anti-radar missile
6 × Kh-29T/L laser-guided missile
Bombs:
8 × KAB-500L laser-guided bombs
3 × KAB-1500L laser-guided bombs
8 × FAB-500T unguided bomb
28 × OFAB-250-270 unguided bombs
32 × OFAB-100-120
4 × S-8 rocket pods (80 unguided rockets)
4 × S-13 rocket pods (20 unguided rockets)

Avionics

Radar:
NIIP N011M PESA radar
Countermeasures:
KNIRTI SAP-518 electronic countermeasure pod


Ini spesifikasi MKK/MK2:
General characteristics

Crew: 2
Length: 21.9 m (72 ft 0 in)
Wingspan: 14.7 m (48 ft 3 in)
Height: 6.36 m (20.85 ft)
Loaded weight: 24,900 kg (54,900 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 34,500 kg (76,100 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Lyulka AL-31F turbofans, 123 kN (27,600 lbf)[14] each

Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 2 (2,120 km/h)[15] (1,140 kn, 1,320 mph) at altitude
Range: 3,000 km[16] (1,600 nmi, 1,900 mi)
Service ceiling: 17,300 m (56,800 ft)
Rate of climb: 305 m/s[16] (18,300 m/min[16])
Thrust/weight: 1.00
Maximum g-load: +9 g
Takeoff run: 550 m (1,800 ft)

Armament

Guns: 1 × GSh-30-1 gun (30 mm caliber, 150 rounds)
Rockets: Various unguided rockets
Missiles:
Air-to-surface missiles:
Kh-31P anti-radiation missiles
Kh-29T and Kh-59ME TV guided missiles
Air-to-air missiles:
R-73 short-range infrared-guided missiles
R-27 medium-ranged semi-active radar- and infrared-guided missiles
R-77E active radar-guided missiles
Bombs:
KAB-500L laser-guided bombs
KAB-1500L laser-guided bombs
Various unguided bombs

Avionics

1 × NIIP N001VEP fire-control radar
Sorbtsiya ECM pods


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KnAAPO manufactures the Su-30MKK and the Su-30MK2, which were designed for and sold to China, and later Indonesia, Venezuela and Vietnam. Due to KnAAPO's involvement from the early stages of developing Su-35

KNAAPO umumnya pembuatan pesawat di design untuk menyerang
Dan Irkut awalnya untuk pertahanan udara Uni Soviet, sehingga yang dibuat pesawatnya untuk pertahanan

"Irkut traditionally served the Soviet Air Defense"
 
Wow sepertinya suhu atas ane ngerti banyak
 
MK2 sama Su-35 sama hardware, ketemu nalarnya dari mana?
Lha engine beda
Radar beda
Terus wama nya dari mana?
 
Kalau itu tanya aja ma KnaaPo
Mereka yang menyatakan merekaa yang mengerti
Kalau penelaah ane
Dimaksud hardware bs aja kesamaan komponen ataupun spare part
Kalau ane kan cuma mengutip
Orang penerbangan atau PT DI pun belum tentu bener kl suruh jelasin maksudnya apa.
Jadi coba aja kirim email ke KnaaPo
Tanya maksudnya apa
 
Ni kutipan KnaaPo "Su-30MKK shares compatibility with Su-35 in terms of hardware, but in terms of software, Su-30MKK differs from Su-35 (Flanker-E)"

kemungkinan yg d mksud parts by parts, bisa jd parts dari MKK d gunakan utk Su35 juga sprti komponen roda, komponen sayap, dll.
 
Yaap...
Karena Su-35 dikembangkan oleh Knaapo juga.
Sehingga sparepart yg dipakai adalah dr Su-30 MKK

mungkin yang dimaksud bukan su-35 terbaru alias su-35BM tapi Su-35UB yang basicnya sama Su-30
 
Su-35S (dulunya Su-35BM) udah jadi mahluk yang berbeda dibanding turunan Su-27 lainnya lho... Ukuran aja lebih gede, mesin lebih gede. Ga bisa disamain langsung sebagai lanjutan dari Su-30.

Agak beda ya pengetahuan ane soal pabrikan... Setahu ane KnAAPO itu banyak membangun aircraft system yang jadi standard di AU Russia, sedangkan IAPO lebih banyak terlibat di technology development-nya.

Makanya yg produk IAPO (MKI/MKM) jadi umum ngeliat avionik-nya diisi produk barat atau Israel, sedangkan produk KnAAPO (MK/MKK) biasanya diisi produk Rusia atau vendor resminya.
 
Kalau yang ane baca
Su-27(serinya apa ane lupa) itu versi basic Su-35
Su-35 BM versi terbaru Su-35
Su-35S versi Su-35BM khusus AU Rusia
Su-35 UB versi trainer yang di modif dari Su-30.
 
Kalau yang ane baca
Su-27(serinya apa ane lupa) itu versi basic Su-35
Su-35 BM versi terbaru Su-35
Su-35S versi Su-35BM khusus AU Rusia
Su-35 UB versi trainer yang di modif dari Su-30.

yup bener, jadi perlu dibedakan antara Su-35, Su-35UB, Su-35BM, dan Su-35S
 
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Su-35 UB lebih familiar dengan Su-30 MK

Kalau memungkinkan adalah versi BM buat TNI AU

MKM kabar lamanya kesusahan suku cadang, krna after sales Irkut yang buruk. Itu sebabnya jg knapa versi MKK/MK2/MK2V/MK2A banyak dipakai negara lain

Tmn ane di Malay jg bilang disana ga semua Su30 dapat terbang mnrt berita di Malay
 
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